Proposal: Resolution Against Social Democracy and Revisionism

It is my understanding that the #1 cause of failed proletarian revolution is revisionism. Throughout history, whenever proletarians have risen up, and won control of the means of productions, it was always the revisionist capitalist eliminates from within that managed to destroy the revolution, and restore the means of production into the hands of bourgousie.

We have won control of the means of production here in the Czech Republic, but as long as their are revisionists remaining within the party, and allied to the party, a slow disease will eventually spread, and eventually, a time from now, the party will destroy itself from within, and will no longer represent the needs of the proletariat.

As such, I am proposing that the CSR make a public and unified condemnation of revisionism and capitalist influences in the party. Social Democracy is an ideology which advertises small amounts of socialism in a capitalist economy, as such, social democrats support the capitalist system. Class traitors are no comrades of mine.

"After the enemies with guns have been wiped out, there will still be enemies without guns; they are bound to struggle desperately against us, and we must never regard these enemies lightly. If we do nor now raise and understand the problem in this way, we shall commit the gravest mistakes. "
- Chairman Mao Tse Tung

Cool down, you want to stand everybody to the wall and shoot from behind in the head?

Maria_M wrote:Cool down, you want to stand everybody to the wall and shoot from behind in the head?

Not everyone, just the revisionists

Cool down Che...we have right visions and plans and no revisionist can't stop us

Simonov wrote:Cool down Che...we have right visions and plans and no revisionist can't stop us

Well, there is a social democrat section of the forums, a social democrat proposed a resolution against Stalin that was only narrowly defeated. Said Social Democrat(Leo Ruby) appears to be a liability to the revolution, as both a supporter of capitalism and an enemy of communism.

As well as that, the other 8 people who voted in favour make me concerned also. Pretending that revisionism doesn't exist within the party won't make those 8 votes disappear.

And on the subject of cooling down, I'm not angry, just concerned. I'd suggest rereading my post in a monotonous and emotionless voice

Hehe...I am also against Stalin and will always be because he did many shitty stuff but that's my opinion...

Simonov wrote:Hehe...I am also against Stalin and will always be because he did many shitty stuff but that's my opinion...

That's a different debate, but you have to admit that social democracy, a capitalist bourgousie political ideology, has no place in the CSR and no place in our community.

Che Guevara ll wrote:
That's a different debate, but you have to admit that social democracy, a capitalist bourgousie political ideology, has no place in the CSR and no place in our community.

Why? Only because they don't agree with your opinion? I'm a socialist, but I don't think SD should be categorized This sounds hitlerian. Sometimes I even ask myself if the concept of equality is still present or something that is only used for propaganda. If you are a communist you have to consider everyone equal to the others.

Yes and WORKER is the most important subject ( not object ) in our eSociety

Every human being will be equal in a communist society, but before that, some human beings must be struck down because they don't want to be equal with everyone else.

When the revolution comes in real life, will we win the class war by bringing the army flowers and stuffing them in their guns? No, they'll just shoot us.

I full support the CSP, and in my party plan, it is mentioned that we support the Socialist government...Democratic Socialism is even listed as part of our ideology.

In CCP-ML administration, we do not give a piece of shit to Revisionism, Oppurtunism and Rightist Social Democrat ideas!

Down with revisionism, i won't support any revisionist candidates in next cp elections...

Pleasure doing business with you.

I understand you Joseph Kalinin, don't get me wrong...on my avatar is Felix Dzerzhinsky who was responsible for "dirty jobs" in Revolutionary Russia and post revolutionary Russia. He was founder of Cheka (later NKVD)

I just want to mention that this resolution doesn't need to be resolution FOR Stalinism because everything else is revisionism bla bla.

RL observations:
* Revisionism did not suddenly appear like magic in the USSR with Khruschev. The capitalist road in China was not suddenly eliminated for all time when Deng Xioping was removed from power in the Cultural Revolution.
* The socialist state does not and in many cases simply cannot eliminate the conditions that give rise to capitalism and the continuation of class separations. These conditions include: the continued operation of the law of value; divisions between countryside and city; educational disparities; the need for state, military, economic and police institutions; imperialist encirclement; and so forth.
* In my estimation, Stalin did very little to either recognize or combat the seeds of capitalist restoration in the USSR. His contributions to communist theory are virtually nil. His "Historical and Dialectical Materialism" is a terrible book full of mistakes. His approach to the world revolution was questionable. Was he a great Russian nationalist? Sure. But his approach to managing relationships with Europe (and Germany in particular) was more or less indistinguishable from Alexander's relationship to Napoleon. Nothing particularly new or interesting.
* Mao is much better. His theory of protracted peoples war was profound. His recognition of and attempts to combat capitalist restoration are worthy of study and reflection. But I question his dismantling of revolutionary communes and his embracing -- or at least allowing to develop -- the "three worlds theory", which seems to me to be the Chinese version of the Seventh Comintern Congress' Popular Front Against Fascism, which in my estimation abandoned the world proletarian revolution for the permanent establishment of a "socialist bulwark", in other words, defense of the state led by the communist party no matter what its character.

These are difficult and complex matters, not a question of belief. It is not a question of any party having "pure intentions", or simply deciding who was "good" and who was "bad".

Any resolutions on questions of political ideology in eRepublik, should, in my un-asked-for and less-than-authoritative opinion, reflect upon specific game-related matters. Vague and "religious" debates about "Stalinism" and "revisionism" are useless.

"If you have to shit, shit. If you have to fart, fart." -- Mao Zedong

hahaha i agree with you PQ nice to see a friendly face from eUSA thats where i started out from but moved pretty quick when i heard that socialism was coming to eczech...now i made it all the way to congress....

about the debate both are pointless people have opinons thats what capitalist hate we can't do the same thing they do. All left socialist orinated ideas must unite but can have seprate parties like we do this must happen in Rl also. Unite people can never be deffeted i think thats why socialism is look down apon now days. After the Soviet Union many socialist couldn't work together because of Stailn and others the made the ideology divide into Social democracy socialist democracy and socialist and communist..plus others

right now i agree in RL social democracy is not socialism it's more progessive like Obama!!!!!!! i hate him now cause he dose nothing. but if the Leo is more Democratic socialist thats different as in RL USA thats the big socialist partys name the DSA democratic socialist of America. they support a socialist ideology...

all i am trying to say is we can't fight inside the party if we want to win the fight outside... We will if we can keep these seprate parties and people will move to the one more alline to rl beliefs but we must stay unite for socialism!!!!!!!!!

I lay farther left from Obama...I am more like Dennis Kucinich.

Leo Ruby wrote:I lay farther left from Obama...I am more like Dennis Kucinich.

If you're a democratic socialist, then why is your party called the social democrat party?

I'm not a democratic socialist either...as I said, I am more like Kucinich...somewhere in between.

Leo Ruby wrote:I'm not a democratic socialist either...as I said, I am more like Kucinich...somewhere in between.

> Avoiding the question.

Feffo wrote:
Why? Only because they don't agree with your opinion? I'm a socialist, but I don't think SD should be categorized This sounds hitlerian. Sometimes I even ask myself if the concept of equality is still present or something that is only used for propaganda. If you are a communist you have to consider everyone equal to the others.

Totally agree !

I voted NO to Resolution against Stalinism, and still vote NO to that thing too.


I believe we have more important things to think about than fighting with each other.

aldameldo wrote:I voted NO to Resolution against Stalinism, and still vote NO to that thing too.


I believe we have more important things to think about than fighting with each other.

I agree with this, at least for now.

Jeremy McGillian wrote:

aldameldo wrote:I voted NO to Resolution against Stalinism, and still vote NO to that thing too.


I believe we have more important things to think about than fighting with each other.

I agree with this, at least for now.

We can all say it's good and fine to leave things like this until later. But revisionism won't wait until later to rot the party from inside.

Centre-leftists are anti-capitalists, too. So they are our allies until we defeat capitalism!

aldameldo wrote:Centre-leftists are anti-capitalists, too. So they are our allies until we defeat capitalism!

Social Democracy is capitalism with slight elements of Socialism. If you honestly think social democrats are anti-capitalists, then you are extremely naive.

Social Democracy includes the principles of free market but with social state. So we can say it's a mixture of capitalism with Communist elements.
S.D. is against capitalist barbarism, but doesn't fight Communism as much as it does with capitalism.

Nice definition Aldy.

YEA Nice one so i guess i have your backing with me going a different route i plan to move to the Anarchist party and estalish what i am going to call the Fourth Way movement....I am keeping the tenidacy Anarchist far left!!!!!!!

This is because I have lots of doubts about our Current actions in this party and i know i am going to get shit thrown at me from the CCP's or what i should call

THE STALIN CRY BABIES!!!!!

I don't follow that path and thats why i must say my Goodbyes..

Don't feel bad i still work with yall on certain matters but mostly I be a independent in lots of matters...But this party will still do it's best to estalish a Socialistic State..

This party will look more like RL Sweeden but farther left and more socialist....The Anarchist in Spain now and during the Civil War.... Pairs Commune......Basic Marxism...Enviromentalism...haha this sould some how be impmented in the game like polution levels or something....o and yes Anarcho-Synid or Anarcho-Socialist...

We still like a governmental body as we can't not have one but we want something more Democraticly acting...Not prosicute those who aren't for Stalinist Or even for USSR relatied Socialism....

I always admire the USSR no matter what mistakes it did. And that shall never change. Go wherever you want. Everyone is free for their ideology.
And as I told, everyone who fights against capitalism is my ally.

"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine." Che

aldameldo wrote:I always admire the USSR no matter what mistakes it did. And that shall never change. Go wherever you want. Everyone is free for their ideology.
And as I told, everyone who fights against capitalism is my ally.

"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine." Che

Don't quote Che when it comes to Social Democrat cowards, you dishonour his memory.

Social Democrats do not tremble at every injustice, they support capitalism wholeheartedly, the main cause of the injustices Che fought against.

I don't think every non-communist is my enemy, not a chance. But I really hate traitors.

To be fair, Social Democracy doesn't support Capitalism wholeheartedly, at least not in my RL country.
My personal experiences with Social Democracy suggests that they advocate some state-controlled sectors, such as healthcare generally, public schools (as private schools are, as indicated, privately owned), public transits such as trains and buses etc etc.

Now, I don't know if this reflects the opinion of Social Democratic parties in erepublik, but a general assumption would be that they support state-owned hospital companies, defense system companies, presumably at least one food company and maybe house and weapons, but I wouldn't count on it.

Well, I'm Socialist and not Communist but I have a tattoo of Che Guevara on my shoulder. So do I dishonour his memory because I'm only a coward socialist? Should I cut my shoulder away?

Anyway this is a Socialist Party. If you feel Communist we'll be allied but your party is CCP! We have created it also for this, because many didn't recognised themselves in CSP!

Jeremy McGillian wrote:To be fair, Social Democracy doesn't support Capitalism wholeheartedly, at least not in my RL country.
My personal experiences with Social Democracy suggests that they advocate some state-controlled sectors, such as healthcare generally, public schools (as private schools are, as indicated, privately owned), public transits such as trains and buses etc etc.

That's social state! Just what I said!

Feffo wrote:Anyway this is a Socialist Party. If you feel Communist we'll be allied but your party is CCP! We have created it also for this, because many didn't recognised themselves in CSP!

Let us not create more tensions! For me Socialism and Communism are one.

O by the way i ain't Social Democratic either...I Am Socialist Democratic two different things now days Social Democratics are more like progessives i support them when they want to help us but i also hate them when they don't want to help us. This is RL talk just to let you know. I am also very Enviromentalist, I am also some Marxist I haven't read everything yet but i have the Communist Manifesto and after i read that i read Das Kapital and other things from him... I am also little Anarchist as i think that in the end of Socialist government government because just about pointless and we go to basic Communes and Communites control which is where the word Communism comes from...Common=Community...Common owership base o the Community which means Common-unity a Common Unity of people in diversions of the nation run by Cousles and Unions or what ever the division is between Communitys and state. A type of Anarcho-Syndi or Anarcho-Communism or What ever it's called..........

So the main and only difference I have is i don't hold grudes of people wither they are Capitalist or Socialist or what ever unless they done damage to me and other people. But if they want to work it out i give them a chance this is to deal with Progessives and liberals and others who vote for that side. I don't hate the people of Capitalism i hate the systeme once the systeme is taken care of i can negioinate with people who still belive or how problems not living in a Capitalistic society.....This means i will work with them..dose that mean i am a tratior if to you it does then all i say is fuck you!!!!!!!! I am still very Socialist and even people who in RL that are Dem or Rep in USA still call me that...I am very radical and have hard core Radical belifes i just don't take things out on people... I might take money from them in Taxes and manitory halt of wages and income but i don't try to ban the person living in the state and trying to work in a Socialist society.

And yea i don't think every thing should be run my the goverment or public i think Unions and workers counsles should control lots of bussiniess. No CEO's or Owners execept for the workers...No an ex-CEO can become a worker and work but has no higher wage or power over anybody...

This is why i dissagee with you it's not because i am Some Progessive wanta be Socialist i think things should be run differently then Banning People from living in the Country and from working because they use to be Socialist........

I know you said if they want to work they can msg you and ask you but your saying things in a wrong way. Which is making us look very bad and alomst hateful towards people.

aldameldo wrote:
Let us not create more tensions! For me Socialism and Communism are one.

Not what I want to We have CCP and CSP to avoid this

Yeah, but I would say, CSP has "calmer" Communists, while CCP has more "radical" ones. But let us not split ourselves.

I didn't want to and I am not........My party will still be Socialist but just a very democratic and it will be willing to work with those you call capitalist and tratiors.....blabala bala... well work together on certain maters anyway... I am not saying i am going to walk hand and hand with them just allow peace and prosperity....and allow them and everyone to live together...is that so bad well not to me and some of the people i been talking toooooo.

O and I will support the CSP on just about everything But i will not Support Stalinist in any party...

Feffo wrote:

Che Guevara ll wrote:
That's a different debate, but you have to admit that social democracy, a capitalist bourgousie political ideology, has no place in the CSR and no place in our community.

Why? Only because they don't agree with your opinion? I'm a socialist, but I don't think SD should be categorized This sounds hitlerian. Sometimes I even ask myself if the concept of equality is still present or something that is only used for propaganda. If you are a communist you have to consider everyone equal to the others.

And Hitler mostly killed communists, he didnt see the SD as a threat as a ideology. NS and SD are quite like.

A like wow in what way...yes Capitalism is bad but i would rather live in a capitalist society and fight for Socialism then to live in a NS either brainwased by them and killing innocent people or being killed because of my poltiical ideology yea Capitalist do that to but the SD and even some liberals where against all of that...

I thought we where better then to try to compare anything thing to Hitler..or NS... There is nothing close to resambleing Fascism but only Fascism it self... Monarchy and Religion can mabye come close but really not that close as there is always something preventing you from killing millions and millions of people just becasue you don't like who they are....